I don't know about you guys, but when I finally heard those unreleased MOP era songs I just thought...well...this explains why they were never released. They were the only tracks that I had never heard and the one track I would have loved to have had on this compilation would have been an actual good quality acoustic version of "Is This The End."
Post by solacematt on Oct 17, 2015 10:15:15 GMT -5
It wasn't always this way. The way that the music industry in general is handled is just the wild west now. Everything is kind of a crap shoot. The only people who seem to really be buying physical product, well, actually buying in general are music fans over the age of 28 at at the moment. People under 25 don't value a physical product and don't understand that if they don't support their favorite artist by actually buying their music that that artist may not have a chance to put out more music because they'll get dropped from a label. It's especially important for new bands/artists. Places like Spotify are killing in the industry, and youtube is probably the biggest killer as it allows people to post entire albums.
I've read comments on there that are truly dishearteningly as today's music fan is so disgustingly contradictory and don't even realize how hard they're screwing the artists that they supposedly love. I've read people talk about how they think that they are entitled to stream the whole album for a while on youtube to decide whether or not it's worth them spending money on it because 'too many albums that come out now aren't worth a dollar to them.' Then there are the people who say that they'll illegally download an album and listen to it for awhile before deciding whether or not they want to buy it, but those same people also admit that nine times out of ten they decide, screw it, already have the album and can stream it online whenever so why bother wasting the money.
Ok, end rant. Onto how Creed is handled...they used to be taken care of very well before above mentioned 'music fans' ruined everything. I watched Creed go from getting radio play on the local hour of the local rock station to headlining diamond status selling band. Working in the industry for a time you study marketing a bit and Wind-Up in it's day was the top independent label because they used what was at hand and made sure to put the bands music where it needed to be - at radio. The band was always on the best tours and were paired with bands who they not only fit with, but label, management, PR, etc knew that fans who didn't already know of them would also like them as well. The band did tons of in-studio radio interviews, acoustic performances, they played countless radio sponsored concerts which meant not just constant radio play to promote the show, but constant exposure. During the end of MOP's touring they actually had WalMart (Which wasn't yet satan at that time) as a sponsor even. JHMP (Jeff Hansen Management) knew what they were doing and along with Wind-Up, who during Creed's time only had a a small handful of acts, did a great job. Even when things really started to get huge for the band during HC the band was still doing the same things and were handled very well. They may have become a bit more hands off by the time Weathered came around, and that probably had a lot to do with the fact they they had 3 acts that they spent a lot of time with in artist development; Evanescnece Seether, and Submersed. 2 out of 3 of them obviously did quite well for the label, but it also meant some hands off for Creed and being treated like a band that could handle itself. They were kind of wrong there. It wasn't until the mid '00's that things started going bad, so you really can't condemn and say that Creed has always been handled terribly.
I don' think Tremonti is using any fancy tuning. Infact I like him for his simplicity although he is making everything overly complicated these days to prove a point. Drop B is just the top low E string on standard tuning tuned to B. I haven't any song by tremonti with weird tunings. Its mostly half step down or drop D or open D with a few exceptions here and there.
Tremonti has used Drop B in two ways actually; the proper way, tuning the whole guitar down like Sevendust do, and by just tuning the low E down to B which, before, Tool did on "Prison Sex," no one was really doing. I highly doubt though that that's where he got the idea from when he employed it on "Broken Wings." On MOP he used Drop D for the whole disc with the exception of "What's This Life For," "One" and "Pity for a Dime." To me AB is fair, but since the first disc onwards it's always felt like, 'all these years everyone told me how great I was, now I have to prove it and be super flashy and overly complicate the songs.' Let's face it, Mark's best songwriting has really been the simpler songs
SolaceMatt, I too had to listen n' rewind the disc to learn allot of Creeds songs, it's contant mess of stop, rewind, play, stop rewind, play. but nowadays Im too lazy for that so I just look up tabs. But still, them were the days guitar2
OH COME ON! first Johnzilla says he got his copy of HC dirt @ss cheap, now ur telling me u got it ..FOR FREEEEEE!!! WHY CAN'T THAT BE ME!!!!!!
ok, it sent my pw reminder to spam :p
Honestly, I feel like it just makes you a better player to figure the songs out yourself. There's just no better ear training. It was easier back then though, Tremonti mainly relied on Drop D, now he's all over the place. Yep, got it for free. Then again, there is over 10 years between me and her and a great friendship I wouldn't trade so no exactly free You seriously do hear some stuff you never heard before on the vinyl version though. I remember the first time I listened to it I started flipping out running around the house, putting on the CD and having my fiance at the time listen for it, calling the ex up like, holy sh!t on a stick, I don't believe this!?!
Post by solacematt on Oct 26, 2014 13:50:10 GMT -5
After watching an interview with Tremonti the other day I don't know if we'll ever get Creed back. Mark talked about how the bands popularity is finally starting to grow in the US, something that they never really had. Sometimes I wondered if maybe the guys did Creed again not just to fund AB III, but also to help gain interest in Alter Bridge here in the US where everyone knows who they are
Post by solacematt on Aug 29, 2014 10:00:02 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone other then guitar players have noticed this. I was watching some live Creed DVD's the other day and remembered pre-breakup Mark used to kind of 'metal up'the pre-chorus to "Higher" by adding a little extra hiccup to it live. He also did this cool simple slide coming out of the first chorus going back into the clean second verse. Anyone else notice he didn't do that anymore and just played more to the way it was on the record when the band got back together from '09-12?
The first two videos are from '00 and some of the better, more audible examples of what I'm talking about. The last is from '09.
What would everyone think about writing some sort of letter from fans, or putting together some sort of petition and spreading it around like crazy for a month before sending it over to the bands new label. Maybe if they see how much fans actually want it they could acquire the rights to release it. Or maybe e-mailing Ron and asking if he has heard anything or find out how much it would cost for him to release it and maybe start a kick starter or crowdfund to get to that goal to release to fans for sale?
I'm wondering if maybe the reason why we don't hear new Creed music is also because, not the band, but Mark really, has tried so damn hard to remove himself from the 'Creed Sound,' for so many years trying to show off what a great lead player he is and that he's 'metal' that he can't exactly write in the 'Creed style' anymore. Yesterday my bassist and I were on our way to band practice and I had Full Circle on and, you know, it comes time to solo 2 in the song and it's like, ok we get it you can solo, leave it be. Who knows, we may never actually hear a new full Creed album again because Mark doesn't see himself as that person/player anymore. Creed wasn't a joke, but today's society has very short attention spans. We live in an 'on demand' society and have for the past 10 years now. There's a real ignorance with supposed 'music fans' where they start to hate a song, or a band entirely and say this band sucks or that song sucks. What I find incredible is that bands try so hard to get to a certain level and 'fans' work so hard to help get the word out and then many of those same 'fans' get pissed that their band is getting tons of play. Now all of a sudden they suck. So the band you wanted everyone to know about and get heard on the radio is no longer your secret and you've moved onto the next trend so they're a bad band? That's really what happened to band. The songs that made them big were never really the heavy songs. That's you saw "My Own Prison" "What's This Life For" and "One" as singles and not "Unforgiven" or "Illusion." That' why "Higher and "With Arms Wide Open" were so successful and not "What If" which was more of a live fan favorite then a successful radio single. ::shrugs::
I'm going to give you all a piece of information that you apparently don't realize - Stapp isn't the one who controls his own social media page OR Creed's. It's his management and PR company. In fact most bands don't actually have access to their own pages, they give stuff such as pictures, videos, and there thoughts and the management or pr person (s) decide what to post. So before you sit here and crucify Stapp you may want to keep that in consideration. What do you think, the guys in AB actually update their own facebook and twitter. No. Also, if you knew some of the total BS windup has had to put up with in concerns with some of their biggest bands you would wonder why none of these bands weren't dropped a long time ago. Windup is was actually a pretty great label to be on up until just a few years ago.
The name of the venue was Sunrise Musical Theater. It unfortunately closed in early 2002 when it was apparently bought by Jehovah Witnesses as a meeting hall. The venue is in the city called Sunrise which is in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. That's 40 minutes South of West Palm Beach.