Post by Johnzilla2179 on Oct 5, 2015 9:49:08 GMT -5
Metaliciousstingystrings Am I the only one that was actually excited about this? I know that the hits disc was lame (and always is when you have the original albums), but I was absolutely freaking ECSTATIC to have all of those b-sides and acoustics on a singular Creed release. I don't care if they're on YouTube, I want them on an official CD, uncompressed quality. Why am I alone in that regard? Everybody keeps saying they want something "better", and to me that means a different release WITHOUT these tracks. Don't get me wrong, I want more demos, but I still want these songs too and I'm not about to buy a bunch of CD singles or assorted soundtracks or download any third-hand files to do it.
For me this came out of no where and the band members well, Mark seemed to not have a clue about it. I think the problem people have is that part along with no promotion at all. Then you add the way things have gone on Creed twitter the past month or so and well people are like what the hell. Maybe we live in a dream world of thinking Creed will be handled well for once. No one wants this thing to come out and sit in boxes because hardly anyone knows about it. Some call it a label cash grab but how much cash can you grab when you have upset Creeds fans the past month and then this thing pops up out of left field with less than desirable content and no promo. I would only buy if for the 3 demos.
Post by Johnzilla2179 on Oct 5, 2015 16:44:49 GMT -5
dropdElwoodBlues Yet again I'm at a loss for words, here. Mark was the one that initially made mention of this release. I prefer him be involved, but given how uninvested he's been in Creed since they initially broke up over ten years ago it doesn't really surprise me that he didn't take a hands-on role. He's also on tour currently, so there's that. As for promotion, the lead time for albums these days is getting shorter and shorter. Hell, country music legend George Strait announced his newest album a single WEEK ahead of its release, and it debuted with 80,000 units sold (tasteofcountry.com/george-strait-new-album-2015-cold-beer-conversation/). Almost every album I've picked up in the last year or two with a recent release has had only a month or two of lead time. Even ones I knew to exist were only announced when the release date was around the corner. Late September for a mid-November release is just par for the course. It's also important to remember that this is a compilation, not a studio album, and an atypical one at that given that it contains more b-sides than hits. And since I seem to be the only one that isn't bitching about the tracks, who the hell are they supposed to market it to? The core fanbase has already made their opinion well-known. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if this is just cancelled outright if these boards are any indication of the overall fan reception to the leak.
Am I taking this mess too seriously? Perhaps. But it behooves me to inform you that we're lucky to be getting anything at all. Think about it: most bands don't get to release b-sides collections, much less bands that aren't currently active, prone to infighting and critical punching bags. You say you'd only buy the three demos, fine and dandy. It sounds to me like you're taking this release for granted. Creed hasn't released a new album since 2009, nor an album that was actually a HIT since 2001. Their catalogue just changed hands. 99% of record labels would just put out a new hits compilation and leave it at that. Instead, Bicycle is working with at least two band members (Stapp and Flip) to put together not only a comp., but one mostly composed of tracks that aren't commercially available on a Creed release or even all that easy to find these days. Everybody keeps saying the tracklist is disappointing and undesirable; I assume, then, that you have access to all of these songs and alternate versions. Good for you. What about those of us that don't? What about those of us that aren't content to go to YouTube, or collect a bunch of disparate CDs for one or two tracks each? Good grief this is frustrating.
I think something was off here because of Marks tweet reply. Maybe he thought he would get a chance to chime in on it and was caught off guard it was already coming out. The dude has been crazy busy writing 2 back to back solo albums and touring on a pretty lengthy tour schedule. As for the fans response I have seen the casual fan be quite happy not really understanding what they were not getting. Then you have the hard cores who thought they would get Do It All Over considering that song has been asked about more than anything unreleased to date. And then all this time people wanted something from the Ron Ranew footage. My feeling is wait another month and get it approved by all members of Creed and let the world know when it's coming out by the band promoting it. I think it's strange for a label to go here and not one member of the band talk it up before it comes out. Flip and Brian cannot be so tied up that they cannot do some press on it.
Post by Johnzilla2179 on Oct 5, 2015 18:03:07 GMT -5
guitar5150 I really hope that they bring Mark on board. I'm only flipping out because this group, both as Creed and apart, has a history of new releases being shelved for no apparent reason. It'd be cool if they added another disc to what's here.
ElwoodBlues Are you kidding me? I can understand you not being enthusiastic but exaggerating to make things look worse than they are is pushing it.
(1) Most of the songs are the same as Greatest Hits, yes, but at least 11 of them are supposedly alternate versions. GH only had album versions, save for the single edit of "What's This Life For." I'm a completist and I want it all.
(2) Not really sure what you mean here. If Creed only had about four unreleased songs, this compilation is including three of them as demos. Isn't that what everyone is complaining about? And if everyone has "heard them enough", what else is there to include? And why would you care if you're sick of the songs?
(3) Actually, there's only one Alice Cooper cover. Overall, there's a whopping three covers total. Four of the acoustic versions are studio, not live. All of these live tracks appeared on singles at some point, save for the Full Circle-era material. As for the other b-sides:
- "To Whom it May Concern" was included on the limited edition Higher tour EP from 1999 and also the Scorpion King soundtrack in 2001. Not on a Creed album. - "Is This the End?" was cut for the Scream 3 soundtrack in 2000. Not on a Creed album. - "Bound & Tied" was cut for the Dead Man on Campus soundtrack in 1998 and also included on certain editions of My Own Prison in Central America as a bonus track. The bonus track version is hard to find. - "Young Grow Old" was included on the deluxe 2-disc edition of Human Clay in Europe and later the WWF Forceable Entry CD in 2002. The 2-disc version is hard to find. - "Silent Teacher" was an iTunes pre-order and limited European edition bonus track for Full Circle in 2009. Hard to find. - "I'm Eighteen" was cut for the Faculty soundtrack in 1999. Not on a Creed album, and also one of only three covers and the only one that has anything to do with Alice Cooper. - "Roadhouse Blues" live with Robby Krieger was cut at Woodstock '99 and included on the CD of that event. Not on a Creed album. Second of only three covers the band has officially put out. - "Riders on the Storm" was cut for the Stone Immaculate Doors tribute CD in 2000. Released as a single, not included on Greatest Hits. Not on a Creed album. Third of only three covers.
I'm still at a loss for how getting all of these assorted rarities is a bad thing.
Post by Johnzilla2179 on Oct 5, 2015 18:50:10 GMT -5
ElwoodBlues I know that the radio edits are simply cut versions. As I said, I'm a completist and I want it all. If I'm going to have to play for another compilation of Creed's radio hits it might as well be versions I don't own on the original albums or Greatest Hits CD/DVD release. I figured the "With Arms Wide Open" strings version on this release was the same as the Human Clay track and was wondering why they would include that when most of their fans have a copy of that album (it's only on the North American CD version, not the cassette or double vinyl edition). Nonetheless, as I said, better they be somewhat different than the exact same thing as always.
Post by ElwoodBlues on Oct 5, 2015 19:01:52 GMT -5
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