Post by guitarofthrones on Oct 1, 2015 21:00:00 GMT -5
Rush, lack of planning, no promo, not thought out, crappy rush to make a youtube update that is laughable, website that looks like a child made it. I don't get it at all! Who would do this if not the label?
Post by Johnzilla2179 on Oct 3, 2015 19:45:02 GMT -5
I agree about "Do It All Over", but as I said earlier the situation involving that particular song might be more complicated. However, all of your concerns are valid. I think I'm honestly just excited to be getting anything. Remember, Creed isn't the commercial powerhouse it once was, and the record industry is VASTLY different from what it was in the band's heyday. I'm thinking that if this sells well we might get something a little more in-depth down the line. This strikes me as Bicycle putting their toe out to test the water, so they're playing it safe with hits and rare studio tracks that might impress casual listeners.
Were AC/DC or Soundgarden fans this upset when those bands issued Backtracks or Echo of Miles? Sure, we technically have access to most of this material, but to have it all in one place is enough for me. The demos are simply icing, not the cake, in my mind. That said, Mark and possibly Brian not being a part of the process or at least in the loop is unacceptable. But then again, Mark is on tour, so perhaps he couldn't really contribute? There's phones, sure, but that's not as hands-on. He might have made the choice to consciously leave it with Stapp and Flip since they're not currently doing much (as far as I know).
Nonetheless, I can understand being upset by the lack of "new" stuff. But I guess I'm so put down by the band's reputation with the public at large and the way they've been treated by their management over the years. I'm just happy SOMETHING is happening that isn't just a bargain bin hits release, but a triple disc comp. aimed at collectors who want everything under one roof. Also, the idea that the band's catalogue might be released on vinyl within the next few years as well is all-good. Plus, let's not forget that the band was only together for about ten years, and only active in the mainstream for about five. How much usable unreleased material could they reasonably have? Ron Ranew documentary, sure, but that's not quite in the band's hands. They can request it all day but unless they want to be the ones to foot the bill I doubt the label is going to offer. Who knows, they might not even care at this point. It'd be a decade out-of-date, even if we all want it.
I'm wondering what they might do for the band's 20th anniversary. One can hope they'll reissue My Own Prison with the original mix and Wind-Up versions packaged together.
(By the way, jake, the @ feature doesn't work on AlterBridgeNation)
Post by Johnzilla2179 on Oct 3, 2015 21:32:28 GMT -5
prisonofmine, I'm fairly certain it's still happening. I think that word got out before they intended it to, so now they're playing their cards close to their chest. After all, there wasn't any sort of official announcement, Creed fans just caught wind of it and it exploded amongst our ranks. It could be that the information on the press kit like the cover art, track listing, etc. wasn't even finalized but moreso a preview for the label's end. I'm sure it'll still happen. After all, Amazon DID have a pre-order up, and though it was removed it happened at the same time the websites were locked. I imagine the label wants to give this release a big push and having information leak as opposed to it being officially announced doesn't really build as much momentum, at least not in this case. They're probably trying to do it "right" by keeping those of us who are uninvolved from snooping.
That said, if this gets cancelled or something stupid just because it leaked, I'm done with Bicycle. I'm too excited for this retrospective to have it fade away for no obvious reason like the Creed Live box set or the Ron Ranew documentary. It could just be as simple as fans bitching about the track listing, therefore the label restricted access. We can only hope that they're adding stuff with input from Mark instead of just blocking everyone for a time period before release.
Post by Johnzilla2179 on Oct 3, 2015 22:04:19 GMT -5
I'm completely serious. Go to this link: mediakits-showcase.concordmusicgroup.com/p/with-arms-wide-open-a-retrospective/track-listing.html and type in the password as I've spelled it. As of this time today, it works. I'm honestly hoping that the label figured Creed fans wouldn't guess that since the term is intended as an insult for us, not as some sort of joke. No doubt they'll change it if enough of us get wind of it. I'm really hoping this hasn't been cancelled, but if it was, why block it and not just delete the listing? They deleted it from the release date section, so perhaps Tremonti is trying to have it pushed back?
Post by Johnzilla2179 on Oct 3, 2015 22:10:09 GMT -5
I couldn't help but laugh when I guessed it and it worked. I never thought in a million years that would be the password, I was just fooling about. I thought it'd be some complicated record label mumbo jumbo or numbers. I'm hoping it's like I said and just the label thinking they were being clever. Like if the password were "alter bridge" or something.
Post by notime2fear on Oct 3, 2015 22:13:20 GMT -5
After all the years of nonsense this takes things over the edge. Bravo to whom ever is behind this all you have sufficiently disrespected the bands fans. How could this all be a coincidence for the past month or so Creed's pages have been following pretty much any AB fans pages and not 1 for Creed until last week. Then they address Creed's fans on twitter with that name. What the fuck?
Post by Johnzilla2179 on Oct 3, 2015 22:19:34 GMT -5
notime2fear, I could see the initial Twitter nonsense as being an honest mistake. After all, I recall the actual message as reading "to the REAL Creedmunity" or something of that sort. Perhaps they really didn't know that's not how we address ourselves, but thought it was something along the lines of Deadheads or Parrotheads, and that they were really speaking to us unlike that jackass who came up with the term.wk2wk, I can't either. As I said, I was fooling about. And if this blows up like the Twitter thing did, they'll no doubt change it. Hopefully they'll learn their freaking lesson this time. Wind-Up, Bicycle, whoever you are out there, you don't have to LIKE us but we'll be damned if you're going to continue to disrespect us.