People dislike Stapp for a reason, it's the years of treating people bad. I think someone mentioned already that the best thing for Scott to do is to keep hiring musicians so he can keep being the kind of guy he is and have all the control. I don't think he knows how to play nice with others under any other conditions. How can anyone ask the other members to go back to living like that?
How he treated fans, handicaped ones and kids has been talked about by other bands that toured with Creed too. Trying to turn people against one another is what he has done with fans too, by trying to get Creed fans to be against the other members of Creed. So what is discussed in this video is definitely not a new revelation. I hope to God Stapp has looked at his behaviors over all the years, understands that is one reason he is not liked and takes corrective actions to be a different kind of person. It wasn't that long ago though that he was trying again to make fans not like the other guys. Maybe some people can't change who they are at the core of their personality.
Here's the thing, most fans of Creed have defended Scott for so long because they didn't know he was an a hole like that. I wish Mark, Brian and Flip felt they could say what the reasons were a long time ago. If they say what the deal is then people understand why Creed can't be active. As things are now, people are left wondering because Scott puts it out like he has changed everytime something happens. Most people think it was only drugs so when he seems to get sober they don't understand why Mark, Flip and Brian don't run to work with Stapp again. It's clear that it has a lot to do with who he is as a person, then drugs/alcohol only adds massive fuel to that.
Post by Johnzilla2179 on Feb 16, 2016 18:34:24 GMT -5
How he treated fans, handicapped ones and kids has been talked about by other bands that toured with Creed too.
r3w1nd Like what bands? And when? I could only make out parts of the video of Tremonti, which all sounded kind of crappy. And is any of this recent?
EDIT: I haven't ever heard anything about Stapp being unfriendly to fans, and it seems the only time anyone talks about it is in off-the-record videos and such like this one, where the details are a bit hard to make out.
I remember some drama that happened with Sully from Godsmack around the first few years when Creed came back, saying something about Stapp on stage, of course we all stuck up for Stapp, well for Creed. Later when Sully said sorry he referenced his reasoning behind how he feels about Stapp was witnessing Stapps treatment of a handicapped fan years prior. Why do you think no other bands like Stapp.
As recent as his POL tour Stapp was trying to turn fans against the other members of Creed. Stapp really needs to take a hard look at himself and change.
Post by Johnzilla2179 on Feb 16, 2016 18:51:45 GMT -5
I know about him trying to turn fans against the other guys. I was paying attention at that time. What I'm wanting to know is when all of this mistreatment of fans went down, and if anyone has any specific examples. I'm not arguing for or against, I'm honestly just asking for details. When most of this was going down I wasn't really a fan, but I am now and the stories are only available through other fans.
? you just heard multiple examples: Some from Mark himself in that video and another from wk2wk about Godsmack, which I was around when that went down. It was a huge deal even in music publications which prompted Sully to make the apology to Creed.
Johnzilla2179 So everything should be on CNN then for it to be valid? You do know social media was not around then.
If Brian, Mark or Scott P. ever told people everything Stapp has done, the guy would be the most hated person for the rest of his
natural life. You think the fact they stay mostly quiet or that they don't put out press releases about it all means he has not done anything? ha ha ha ha. Why in the hell do you think they are not friends with Stapp? Why do you think they left Creed when it was that popular and gave it all up? If Stapp is a cool honest person, why would the other 3 guys give it all up?
Post by Johnzilla2179 on Feb 16, 2016 19:39:19 GMT -5
DWDRUMS Did I not just imply that I had trouble understanding the video in a post? Why would you refer me to the video if I've already said I couldn't make very much of it out? I'm hard of hearing, and second-hand conversations recorded without someone's knowledge tend to be a little hard for my ears to decipher.
@guitar7 Apparently I'm just insane. I was asking for someone to fill me in, not questioning the validity of any such statements. Did I not say I wasn't arguing for or against? I didn't say a darn thing about social media or what source these stories came from not being valid, I WANT SOMEONE TO TELL ME. All I've gotten so far is one little comment about Godsmack. Surely that can't be the only point of reference for Stapp's behavior you guys have.
And in case I was unclear again, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE VIDEO. I AM HARD OF HEARING. Please, guys, I'm not calling anyone out or doubting them, I'm honestly just asking for the stories that every seems to be taking for granted knowledge.
Post by notime2fear on Feb 16, 2016 19:44:49 GMT -5
October 29, 2010
Godsmack frontman Sully Erna has issued a public apology for disparaging comments he made during a recent concert in Connecticut about Scott Stapp and his bandmates in Creed.
During the band's Oct. 9 performance at the Mohegan Sun in Mashantucket, in the middle of a diatribe (embedded below) aimed at fans who weren't enjoying the show to Erna's satisfaction, Erna said: "You like Creed? You like Scott Stapp? He's a faggot! Faggot!"
Since then, Erna has issued a full apology to the injured parties via his record label.
The apology is an about face from Erna's Oct. 17 Tweets on the matter: "And just for the record, for all of you that are hating on me about my Scott Stapp comment, why don't u ask him about why I don't like him," he wrote. "Maybe if he's honest he'll tell you about the story of when he turned his back and walked away from a 12 year old crippled little boy when the little boy asked for his autograph. And did it in front of me and my security director. Ask him about that and then come back and tell me how cool he is. Turned his back on him right in front of his mom. Yup. He's cool!"
Erna's full mea culpa, which is below, didn't offer up an apology for the gay slur.
"I would like to send my sincerest apologies to the members of Creed, Scott Stapp and any of our fans that I may have offended for an insulting and disrespectful comment I had made towards Scott Stapp and Creed at a show Godsmack recently played in Connecticut at Mohegan Sun. I have no excuses whatsoever.
The truth here is, there has been a lot of bad blood for many, many years between myself and Scott concerning his actions towards a young fan he disrespected, and how he has treated people in the past. And from that day forth I had completely lost all respect for him. But the details of what he did are no longer important now. What's important is, that it was a long time ago, and I know Scott has come clean, admitting his faults from the past for the most part, and has worked hard on cleaning himself up. And I should have respected that and given the guy the benefit of the doubt. But I didn't. I got hung up in the moment, and said something that was completely out of line through a grudge I have carried for many years about him. For that I would like to "publicly apologize" to all the members of Creed and their fans. With the exception of Scott, I have been friends with the members of Creed/Alter Bridge for many years, and I am embarrassed as a friend to have insulted them like I did.
I have suffered no consequences for my actions, nor have I been requested by my record label, management company or attorneys to reach out and correct this matter. I am writing this letter by my own will. I am doing this because I want everyone to know that I recognize this was an immature and meaningless attack, and I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. I would like to think I have grown past these parts of my life, and I have always preached the word that "music is not a competition", it is a universal language that we all are connected to and experience in our own ways, and I stick by those words. With that being said, I would be nothing more than a hypocrite to slander another artist for no other reason than for past events that I have held against him.
I would also like to say thank you to the fans for waking me up on this matter through your reviews, comments and emails, as harsh as some of them were, they helped me realize that I am a 42 year old Dad, with a great career and a much bigger purpose in life than to be stuck in my juvenile past, and wasting my time carrying around useless grudges. I myself have made many mistakes in my life and was no angel, but have been forgiven for those mistakes. So I am here to bury this once and for all. I don't expect Scott or any of the guys to accept my apology, but I still feel the least I can do for embarrassing them is to man up and apologize publicly. It was a tasteless and unnecessary comment about 4 very hard working guys. We're all in this rat race together, and I am very sorry for disrespecting you."