Post by traptagain on Jun 30, 2014 23:34:39 GMT -5
I don't quite understand why this would be placed on Creed's facebook, for what reason or benefit? It has nothing to do with Creed and the comments are all talking about Creed not about Scott solo. I can see now why there are internal issues with Creed.
Why does he have the right to put that stuff on the bands page? It makes Creed look lame. Stapp has always done odd things going back years, you'd think a person would learn. I thought he changed? How come he is still doing things that mess the relationships up? I thought he wanted things to be good for Creed? How can they ever return to a good space as a band if he is doing the kind of things that messed it up in the first place?
There is a theme to the things he posts, it's all look at me, look at this review it says I am good. Then words are taken from a review and pasted on a pic of himself and then he posts all that on his own page and on Creeds pages. It's like watching someone who has insecurity issues act out.
I understand he wants people to see him differently, but to go about doing that by pointing at himself and saying I changed, look a review says I am great, basically doesn't accomplish that.
You change the way people see you by actions man. It's that simple. When you have really changed, you don't need to post things saying you are changed or how great you are.
The Creed guys never post things like this and yet they are widely respected, admired and loved by the fans. They don't need marketing programs on there twitter accounts to get follows because people are drawn to follow them for being real.
If you have changed, your life will shout it silently. No words put on pics of yourself and placed on Creeds fb, marketing programs or making fans spread the word for you needed. People will do it without you knowing or asking them to because they do it out of liking you.
From all the times weird things have gone on with his twitter it's clear he runs on impulse and does not know how to be chill. If he was a chill person then there would not be Creed issues. They would be out rocking and rolling. Perhaps one day he will figure out how to stop the impulse actions and wait out the feelings that drive him to do the weird stuff. Dunno, I somehow still have hope even though he keeps doing the opposite of what will help Creed.
dig1l I don't think they even know what the total deal is with this bicycle thing.
Bicycle Music Acquires Wind-Up Records' Back Catalog, Cuts Deal with Concord Music Group (Exclusive)
By Ed Christman, New York | October 31, 2013
Bicycle Music has acquired Wind-Up Records’ back catalog, which includes the master recordings of 1,600 songs including albums by Creed, Evanescence, Seether and Alter Bridge. Terms of the deal were not disclosed, but in another move, Bicycle Music has cut a service agreement deal with sister company Concord Music Group to market the Wind-Up catalog to retailers and consumers.
Meanwhile, Wind-Up Records will continue to be an ongoing label with a roster of 15 acts, including Aranda, Civil Twilight, Filter, Five for Fighting, Genevieve, James Durbin, Jillette Johnson, Scott Stapp, Strange Talk, the Darkness, the Griswolds, the Virginmarys, Young Guns, Crobot, the Revivalists. The company now owns about 25 masters and about 500 copyrights; it also includes about a management company with a dozen clients;a publishing operation, and a merchandising company.
"Wind-up will continue, we have signed a bunch of new bands; the staff will stay as is; and we will continue to be distributed by Sony Music Entertainment," says the labels president and CEO Ed Vetri. "The artist roster is strong and the future is bright for Wind-up."
The sale of its catalog reinforces a well-financed Wind-up Records which will be moving forward aggressively signing new developing artists, albeit without the safety net of a back catalog income stream.
Of the deal, Vetri says, "It was time for Wind-up to sell our historical successes and move onto a new business model," which emphasizes developing up-and-coming alternative music leaning artists at the label, which some are now informally referring to as "Wind-Up 3.0."
Wind-up was originally formed in 1997 when former music wholesaler and retailer Alan Meltzer bought Grass Records, and eventually changed the name to Wind-Up. After running the company for years, he turned down a number of opportunities to sell the label to the majors, and eventually sold it to Ed Vetri and chief creative officer Gregg Wattenberg. This lated deal with Wind-Up closes just one-day short of the two-year anniversary of Meltzer's death.
Wood Creek Capital Management, a unit of Mass Mutual owns both Bicycle Music and Concord Music through separate investment funds it manages. Consequently, while there is some overlap of investors, both music companies are separately owned. In addition, Wood Creek Capital Management has a stake in Varese Saraband, the movie soundtrack specialist label.
The Wind-up acquisition firmly establishes the Wood Creek Capital Management-financed amalgamation of music companies as a forced to be reckoned with in back catalog.
The Wind-up catalog was shopped by MESA Global, a New York-based boutique investment bank. Legal representation for the buyers was handled by Reed Smith's Steve Sessa and Joanne Suk, while Gene Salomon of Gang, Tyre, Ramer and Brown represented the sellers. According to sources, at least five suitors looked at the company before the deal was struck with Bicycle Music.
As part of the deal, Bicycle Music has also acquired the recording contract of some of the Wind-Up heritage artists.
"The acquisition of Wind-Up's seminal catalog marks a record high investment year for the Bicycle Music Co., with more to come before 2013 closes out," Bicycle Music co-president Steve Salm said in a statement. In addition to the Wind-Up, Bicycle Music has acquired the Nitro Records label and the Music Publishing Co. of America this year.
Besides Wind-Up and Nitro, Bicycle Music has also acquired some TVT catalog, including the 9-Inch Nails first record, and some recordings issued by Art Laboe's Original Sound Entertainment and some by Delicious Vinyl. In total, the company now owns the master recordings of about 3,400 songs.
In addition to the Wind-up catalog, Concord will also market the other master recordings catalogs as well. That includes the Creed catalog, which has sold 27 million records so far including 186,000 last year and 113,000 units so far this year; the Evanesence catalog, which has sold 11 million units including 278,000 last year and 120,000 so far this year; and Seether, which has scanned about 4 million units, including 172,000 last year and 115,000 so far this year, according to Nielsen SoundScan.
"Wind-up's artists have been responsible for some of the signature rock recordings of the past two decades," Concord Music Group CEO Glenn Barros said in a statement. "We intend to make sure that this great music reaches the widest possible audience for many years to come."
In a move to insure continuity for its artists, Wind-up will continue to market, via a servicing agreement with Bicycle, the best of Seether album, entitled "Seether 2002-2013," which came out one days before the sale closed on Oct. 30; that album is part of the catalog acquired by Bicycle Music.l
While Bicycle Music may be turning over the marketing of most of its master recordings catalog to Concord, it is retaining the synchronization function for those records.
"The performance of our masters catalog has been fantastic; we are extremely comfortable in the space," says Salm. "We take a lot of pride in our ability to license music for synchronization and that falls under the responsibility of a promise we make to our investors to actively managing the assets we acquire."
In another move of leveraging the expertise of each other, Bicycle Music in turn will serve as administrator for the Concord Music Group publishing catalog, managing its 16,000 songs.
Steve Smith, who serves as the chairman for both the two boards of directors for Bicycle Music and Concord Music Group said in a statement, "With our investments in both Bicycle and Concord, we have demonstrated the resources and the willpower to create an entirely new, best of breed independent music publishing and recording company."
Roadrunner seems to have the best rep when it comes to labels these days. Maybe one day Creed will be on a label that cares and has integrity. But until the band junk is sorted it won't matter what the label is.
I cannot believe what is going on with Creed social media simply because it pours salt on an already not good place they have been in. Worst yet, now Creed fans are upset with Scott. I wish I understood his logic with it all. I mean isn't the general idea to get things to a better spot? Doing all that on Creeds social media most certainly isn't doing that on any level. I feel bad for all of us who legit want to see Creed succeed as a band again. Could you ever imagine one of the other guys putting things on Creed facebook or twitter everyday that have nothing to do with Creed?
I love Creed so much. To have them come back only to slowly see the relationships go south has been heartbreaking to say the least. I try real hard to not judge. I try to understand things but...
There are a few mis-steps here, number one Scott has known for a really long time that the fans have not liked Creeds pages. Number two, the pages have been a point of drama with the whole band for a really long time. Number three, he does interviews and says for Creed to do things again it has to be from an honest place and organic. And lastly, he surely wants to build a good name again after all the crap in the past.
With all that said, what crosses his mind everytime he decides to take the action of logging into Creed facebook and to put up the things he does on it?
What crosses his mind when he knows Creed is a band of four members yet he decides I'm going to log into the bands page and put what he does on it? Does he think about the brothers he loves? Does brian, flip or marks thoughts on what he is putting on the bands page cross his mind?
Does doing any of that lead Creed to an honest place or to that organic feeling it would take to create together again?
Last of all, when trying to fix his public persona whos idea is it to take the words from any random blog or person who puts out a review and place them on pics of Scott to then be put on Creeds page? How is that a good step to change his image? It makes him look bad not good.
If a model is taking words some random blog said about her being hot as hell and then posting it about herself on a pic of herself, tell me what you would think? Does it make you think oh she is great? Or does it make you think she is ego plauged or insecure? Can you see my point?
If you want people to know about these random reviews or opinion blogs, you simply give out the link. That is what any other singer or band does.
I love Scott, I am obsessed with Creed. In my heart of hearts I cannot understand why he takes such mis-steps when it comes to Creed and his relationships with the other members of the band.
What crosses his mind ? MONEY. The guy used to play in front of 15.000 people a night, and now, he plays to a couple of hundred people. There is no way he's making a buck with his current tour, and he's admitted a few months ago during a radio interview that all his Creed money was gone. He's probably desperate to turn his solo career into a success, and in his mind, using the Creed social media is probably the easiest way to get some free publicity. The thing is, it doesn't work, and it has even aggravated things.
Here's the thing, it hasn't helped him or what he is doing solo, we all see that. It's hurt him and the way Creeds own fans now feel about him big time though.
You know what is funny, the way to fix how people view him and the way to have a good music career is by repairing his relationships with the Creed guys Yet that is the opposite of what he does. That is the biggest mind fuck about all of it. If he is a God fearing man why isn't that part as clear as day to him? He keeps going everywhere with his actions except doing the very thing that is what will shift everything going a great way for him personally and professionally. I care a lot about the dude but watching him take it upon himself to do things with the bands pages makes me wonder why he is always sabotaging himself and all of Creed.
That is what I was thinking about all of this. Where is the love and respect for the rest of the band when deciding you are allowed to do that on the bands facebook? If any one of them was doing that to him you can bet it would not be ok. So why does he think it's cool to be doing that to the 3 other members and the bands pg? Creed facebook and twitter should be about the band.
I'm going to give you all a piece of information that you apparently don't realize - Stapp isn't the one who controls his own social media page OR Creed's. It's his management and PR company. In fact most bands don't actually have access to their own pages, they give stuff such as pictures, videos, and there thoughts and the management or pr person (s) decide what to post. So before you sit here and crucify Stapp you may want to keep that in consideration. What do you think, the guys in AB actually update their own facebook and twitter. No. Also, if you knew some of the total BS windup has had to put up with in concerns with some of their biggest bands you would wonder why none of these bands weren't dropped a long time ago. Windup is was actually a pretty great label to be on up until just a few years ago.
Sorry man you are the one who is not up to date. Creed got control in 2012 of the pages. It was a big deal and then that is when shit happened with Marks bro doing it a for only a few weeks and then Stapp took them over himself early 2012. He got his pr lame ass person to do them when shit hit the fan with fans complaining about Creed accounts blocking AB fans.
To clue you in further, since you are not around much, yes it is Stapp doing that on Creed facebook. In the past it was sometimes management or Wind Up, Wind up said so themselves on twitter awhile back that they only did it sometimes (like posting the greatest hits or buy Creed album deals). A few people who work at Wind up have also said that Scott and his wife are the ones doing it most of the time or directing what gets done. Stapp himself mentioned in an interview his wife helps with it. Her post on Fathers day a few weeks ago was the exact kind of pic with words that has been being posted on Creeds facebook everyday lately. Creed isn't even on the same label as Stapp and have not been for a long time.
And fyi, Mark himself has stated he does his own twitter but not his facebook (fret 12 and his brother does his fb, it says so right on it under information). Brian does his own facebook and used to do his own twitter when he had it. Flip does his own the rare times he posts. It's old news that Marks brother does the AB pages. Everyone knows that.
You are a bit out of the loop solacematt Look around here on the forum somewhere is the convo Wind up had with people about it, they said occasionally it was them. That was when Creed was still on wind up. Creed has not been on Wind up since last year. Then you have it right from Scott's mouth about his woman helping with the pages.
What Scott does solo has nothing to do with Creed. Creed isn't on the same label as Scott. Creed's band pages should be all about Creed. Even if Scott isn't the one who logs on and does the post, he most definitely is directing it and allowing it to be done on Creed's page.
All he is doing is turning Creed fans against him. That's sad!